From: kieran@interport.net (Aaron Dickey) Newsgroups: alt.internet.media-coverage Subject: Rimm - MR. STATISTICS! Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:31:26 -0500 Organization: Happy Fun Press Lines: 99 Message-ID: An intriguing couple of posts from soc.feminism: Newsgroups: soc.feminism From: Martin Rimm Subject: Pornography Study Message-ID: <8hx8QvG00iV1Q1hX53@andrew.cmu.edu> Sender: tittle@netcom.com (Cindy Tittle Moore) Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 17:37:26 GMT Approved: tittle@netcom.com Lines: 39 About three months ago, as some of you may recall, I mentioned on this board a study I am conducting on pornography at Carnegie Mellon University. I have so far analysed about 1,000,000 adult GIFs, and now know which categories are the most popular, etc. I will be happy to publish these numbers on your board but first they need to be double checked. Most of the 100 or so responses to my original post were vocally free speech and anti-censorship. But having completed this study, I need to ask the same people the same thing again: if we in the U.S. have no problem outlawing pedophilia, and if many states outlaw bestiality, why do you not object to this? Where did you draw the line other than with your own instincts? Why no to pedophilia and yes to bondage? When I point out that a very high percentage of the bondage images involve men binding, gagging and torturing women (it is not 50-50, friends), then why do you all try to shoot me down? Maybe you will tell me it is a matter of consent, and I'll buy it. But then riddle me this: do you mean to suggest that 94% of all women, but only 6% of all men, like the taste of urine? Is this still a matter of consent? Or genetics? Or might I suggest several millenium of cultural conditioning? I have seen a beautiful book of photographs of a family (children, teens, parents), mostly nudes on the beach, touching and loving, sometimes suggestively. It was banned in 1990 in California by a Federal District Judge who found that it violated child pornography laws. Like many others, I thought it was a wonderful work of art, and was outraged that the government would dare do such a thing. I am still groping for answers, and I have data from a million GIFs. I find it fascinating that many people already have the answers, but they have no such data. -- Post articles to soc.feminism, or send email to feminism@ncar.ucar.edu. Questions and comments should be sent to feminism-request@ncar.ucar.edu. This news group is moderated by several people, so please use the mail aliases. Your article should be posted within several days. Rejections notified by email. Newsgroups: soc.feminism From: warren@math.psu.edu (Warren Wood) Subject: Re: Pornography Study Message-ID: Followup-To: soc.feminism Sender: tittle@netcom.com (Cindy Tittle Moore) Organization: The Cultural Elite References: <8hx8QvG00iV1Q1hX53@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 21:22:28 GMT Approved: tittle@netcom.com Lines: 28 In article <8hx8QvG00iV1Q1hX53@andrew.cmu.edu>, Martin Rimm wrote: > Maybe you will tell me it is a matter of consent, and I'll buy it. But > then riddle me this: do you mean to suggest that 94% of all women, but > only 6% of all men, like the taste of urine? Is this still a matter of > consent? Or genetics? Or might I suggest several millenium of cultural > conditioning? I don't want to jump into this debate, but I feel compelled to point out that this seems to an instance of one of the most common errors in elementary probability/statistics. I think what you mean to say is "do you mean to suggest that 94% of those who like the taste of urine are women?" That is a COMPLETELY different statistic. My main reason for suspecting that you mean the latter is that it would be a strange coincidence if the percentage of all women who like urine and the percentage of all men who are urine afficionados happened to add up to 100%. Anyway, where did you get the numbers, or did you just make them up? -- Warren Wood Grad Assistant, Math Dept. Penn State U., State College/University Park PA warren@math.psu.edu 814 867 0718 -- Post articles to soc.feminism, or send email to feminism@ncar.ucar.edu. Questions and comments should be sent to feminism-request@ncar.ucar.edu. This news group is moderated by several people, so please use the mail aliases. Your article should be posted within several days. Rejections notified by email. -- Aaron Dickey - Associated Press New York HotWIRED Net Soup kieran@river.org,kieran@interport.net I work for the companies above; I don't speak for them.