Article: 16075 of alt.censorship
From: dchetson@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Damon Chetson)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: PC at Penn (Was: Free Speech at Penn)
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Date: 13 May 93 22:19:49 GMT
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I restarted this thread since the discussion has strayed from the original
post which dealt with the political climate on campuses and Penn in
particular.

In today's Philadelphia Inquirer there is a long front page article about
Free Speech at Penn. It deals with the topic from the viewpoints of a
conservative columnist and a black student.  The black students said he
was one of the students who took copies of the campus newspaper from
distribution sites around campus earlier this semester because they were
protesting institutional racism at Penn and at the campus newspaper.

The problem here is frightening.
Are we going to allow speech to curbed at Universities.  In American
society, Universities are supposed to be the places at which speech will
be protected to an extreme.  Sadly, this is no longer the case.

Tomorrow, Friday May 14, Eden Jacobowitz, the student who yelled Water
Buffalo out his window at black women who were making alot of noise, has
his hearing.  He told me that he and his advisor do not recognize this as
an official hearing since the University has changed the date of the
hearing three times and many of his witnesses are no longer on campus.

The outcome of this trial will say alot about how we handle free speech on
campuses.  Do we allow it to be stifled by PC-fascists or are we going to
allow all people to speak freely?


Article: 16081 of alt.censorship
From: eafu044@orion.oac.uci.edu (Manuel A. Hernandez)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: PC at Penn (Was: Free Speech at Penn)
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Date: 14 May 93 00:07:09 GMT
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In article <126752@netnews.upenn.edu>, dchetson@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Damon
Chetson) wrote:
> 
> I restarted this thread since the discussion has strayed from the original
> post which dealt with the political climate on campuses and Penn in
> particular.
> 
> In today's Philadelphia Inquirer there is a long front page article about
> Free Speech at Penn. It deals with the topic from the viewpoints of a
> conservative columnist and a black student.  The black students said he
> was one of the students who took copies of the campus newspaper from
> distribution sites around campus earlier this semester because they were
> protesting institutional racism at Penn and at the campus newspaper.
> 
> The problem here is frightening.
> Are we going to allow speech to curbed at Universities.  In American
> society, Universities are supposed to be the places at which speech will
> be protected to an extreme.  Sadly, this is no longer the case.
> 
> Tomorrow, Friday May 14, Eden Jacobowitz, the student who yelled Water
> Buffalo out his window at black women who were making alot of noise, has
> his hearing.  He told me that he and his advisor do not recognize this as
> an official hearing since the University has changed the date of the
> hearing three times and many of his witnesses are no longer on campus.
> 
> The outcome of this trial will say alot about how we handle free speech on
> campuses.  Do we allow it to be stifled by PC-fascists or are we going to
> allow all people to speak freely?

Actually it will not say much about groups, only about the particular
individuals who are involved in these two seperate cases of EXTREMISM.
______________________________________
Where there is a great deal of light       Manuel A. Hernandez
The shadows are deeper        Goethe       eafu044@orion.oac.uci.edu