[3705] dthumim@ATHENA.MIT.EDU quotes 03/09/93 14:53 (1 line) Subject: "freudian slip" by an alum Deans against student affairs --[3705]-- (nref = [3706]) [3706] jtkohl@ATHENA.MIT.EDU quotes 03/09/93 15:47 (1 line) Subject: Re: "freudian slip" by an alum That was a very common way to refer to Shirley McBay in my time... --[3706]-- (pref = [3705], nref = [3707]) [3707] eichin@ATHENA.MIT.EDU quotes 03/09/93 16:25 (3 lines) Subject: Re: "freudian slip" by an alum probably not a slip... "Office of the Dean agaist Student Affairs", "SPODSA", and the full page Tech editorial "McBay Must Resign" are all standard phrases the mid-80's... --[3707]-- (pref = [3706], nref = [3708]) [3708] rlk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU quotes 03/09/93 17:42 (6 lines) Subject: Re: "freudian slip" by an alum Then there was Misty McBeethoven, during the reg day movie flap (or was that the one they wanted to show some other time and SPODSA still tried to crack down on it?). As John and Mark pointed out, derogatory references to the Dean's Office were generally by intent. --[3708]-- (pref = [3707], nref = [3709]) [3709] jtkohl@ATHENA.MIT.EDU quotes 03/09/93 17:46 (4 lines) Subject: Re: "freudian slip" by an alum I'd forgotten/never heard the term "Misty McBeethoven". Has LSC shown any films since "The Opening of Misty Beethoven" in the same, er, genre? --[3709]-- (pref = [3708], nref = [3710]) [3710] sdcfred@ATHENA.MIT.EDU quotes 03/09/93 20:44 (18 lines) Subject: Re: "freudian slip" by an alum > Has LSC shown any films since "The Opening of Misty Beethoven" in the > same, er, genre? I am pretty sure the answer to that is no. I believe that it hasn't since the late 80's. It has tried to obtain European releases of certain movies (for example _Basic Instinct_, but they are nearly impossible to get). Sexually explicit films that are not artsy are hard to get on film, since the market is turning into a video one. Personally, I am not convinced that one would go over that well, anyway. Anybody who thinks otherwise, I'd love to hear from you. (If you feel uncomfortable posting in public, you can send me email and I will hold the response in confidence (If you don't trust email, you can send something to my attendance at LSC, w20-469)). --[3710]-- (pref = [3709], nref = [3735]) [3735] dkk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU quotes 03/15/93 04:12 (14 lines) Subject: Re: "freudian slip" by an alum Another name for the ODSA (which was probably rarely used...) was the "Odious A". BTW, LCS's Reg Day porn movies were very popular before they became politically very incorrect. I don't know if the people who went to them actually *liked* the movies (as opposed to going because of peer pressure), but I do remember (at least my freshman year) the campus being pretty much completely deserted except for Kresge, which was probably pretty full. Kresge's capacity is still under 1/3 the undergrad population, though, so there must have been *some* other people around campus... --[3735]-- (pref = [3710], nref = [3738]) [3738] rlk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU quotes 03/15/93 09:46 (4 lines) Subject: Re: "freudian slip" by an alum They had 4 showings of the movie, and packed Kresge each time. The main reason a lot of people went was to watch the frat boys make fools of themselves. I actually only went once. I found it sufficiently boring to not merit a repeat. --[3738]-- (pref = [3735], nref = [3740]) [3740] sethf@ATHENA.MIT.EDU quotes 03/15/93 11:30 (8 lines) Subject: Re: "freudian slip" by an alum What is the capacity of Kresge anyway? I don't remember that the first showings were packed, I think everyone was busy with registration details at that time. McBay was also called "The Wicked Witch [of the West][of ODSA]" (she could actually be pretty scary in person). By the way, can anyone come up with some hard evidence to confirm my memory that LSC originally stopped showing such reg. day movies because the Chairman was threatened with police arrest? --[3740]-- (pref = [3738], nref = [3742]) [3742] sst@ATHENA.MIT.EDU quotes 03/15/93 12:50 (20 lines) Subject: Re: "freudian slip" by an alum *Nobody* remembers the Ad-Hoc Porn Committee? I've forgotten the details myself, but what happened after Misty Beethoven was that the administration (ODSA?) insisted if LSC wanted to show a sexually explicit movie on reg day or in Kresge, this committee had to approve the movie as non-offensive. Several movies were submitted, but the only one to pass was Body Talk. I personally advised LSC not to show it, because unlike Misty Beethoven, this one was *BORING*. It was shown anyway a year or so later, for lack of any other PC porn (and I guess everyone was bored :-). Anyway, LSC stopped trying, the Ad-Hoc Committee folded for lack of films to watch, and that was that. There may have been another Xrated movie shown in an unrestricted time and location; if so I don't recall going to see it. I'm pretty sure there was at least one NC-17 too, but that doesn't count for the question at hand. sdcfred: No idea if people want the tradition revived or not. (LSC could do a survey question.) Having already gotten dose enough to last a lifetime, I can't guarantee I'd be in the audience. See, PornComm meetings were open free to the public -- to anyone who could find them! --[3742]-- (pref = [3740], nref = [3743]) [3743] yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU quotes 03/15/93 13:18 (7 lines) Subject: Re: "freudian slip" by an alum _The Cook, the Theif, his Wife, and her Lover_ is NC-17 (NC-17 was created more or less right when the big flap about TCtThWahL was going on, if memory serves. LCS has shown it twice. Anyway, I think we've gone well beyond what people want to find in `quotes'... --[3743]-- (pref = [3742], nref = [3747]) [3747] sdcfred@ATHENA.MIT.EDU quotes 03/16/93 01:02 (18 lines) Subject: Re: "freudian slip" by an alum If anyone would like to continue this conversation, I wouldn't mind doing it over email. And Chad, _Cook, Thief..._ is actually not NC-17. It is unrated. The Chairman was never threatened with police action, and the ad hoc committee never said it would censor. The deal was that if LSC wanted to show a SE film, they could have the Dean for Student Affairs review it. If he/she rubber-stamped it, LSC and its members would be fully protected by ODSA. If LSC showed an unapproved film, and there was any complaints, all bets were off. The LSC Executive Committee would be basically liable. The implication was that if there was a complaint, the Chairman would be taken to COD and quite possibly suspended or expelled (I looked into this extensively when LSC was considering doing X versions of some films, since I am the Chairman and could stand to lose in a big way). Oh, and Kresge maximum seating is ~1280. --[3747]-- (pref = [3743], nref = [3748]) [3748] srz@ATHENA.MIT.EDU quotes 03/16/93 02:26 (7 lines) Subject: Re: "freudian slip" by an alum According to a Jeff Schiller story (and Jeff Schiller stories are quotes all on their own), LSC was going to show Deep Throat, and the Cambridge police were threatening to come on campus and arrest somebody (LSC chairman?) for it. Fortunately there was a blizzard ('78?) and the Cambridge cops had other things to do, so the film was shown without trouble. Maybe LSC had finished assembling their weather control device. --[3748]-- (pref = [3747], nref = [3749]) [3749] mar@ATHENA.MIT.EDU quotes 03/16/93 10:10 (11 lines) Subject: Re: "freudian slip" by an alum Yes, we were threatened with arrest, but it wasn't by the MIT administration. It was by one of the women's groups who were going to call the cops. And as projectionist, I was probably most at risk. We had rented Deep Throat that year, but execcom decided at the last minute not to show it. We managed to get Star Wars for the first time and showed it instead. If we had been planning anything other than Deep Throat, we may have gone through with it, but DT was the one movie that had already been found obscene by a court of law in Cambridge. The administration's threat to LSC was that they would take away our right to use any rooms on campus, thereby effectively disbanding the organization. --[3749]-- (pref = [3748], nref = [3750]) [3750] sethf@ATHENA.MIT.EDU quotes 03/16/93 13:28 (13 lines) Subject: Re: "freudian slip" by an alum I don't know if DT has actually been found obscene in Cambridge. In fact, in 1980 in a case similar to LSC involving a Harvard film society and DT, a judge ruled that although he thought it degrading, it was NOT legally obscene. People were later arrested and charged anyway, but the charges were dropped. Alan Dershowitz details this in his book _The Best Defense_. To get back to the "substance" of this meeting, the section where Dershowitz details the various standards used is hilarious: "Obscenity is truly in the eye of the beholder, or - as Justice Douglas once quipped - 'in the crotch of the beholder'. ... Justice Byron White's law clerks say that their boss looks for a sufficient degree of erection and penetration ... they refer to this as 'the angle of the dangle' rule." --[3750]-- (pref = [3749])